Posts by Netzwerg

    I see no reason why woltlab couldn't if they wanted.

    Thats the big point. Being developer friendly has sadly never been WoltLabs strong suit (just look at the current documentation, which is better then before, but still leaves much to be desired).

    I mean the current dev tools have so much shortcomings.... For example, you can sync, but you can not generate a package. WCF has a TarWriter, so it should be easy to add a button "generate package" that does this job for the dev... and so on.

    back in the days, there was a 3rd party dev tool that allowed exporting database entires to XML. You could simply define everything in the database (e.g. menu entires etc) and then when you were done, export it and get well-defined XML files. It also had a GUI for creating a lot of stuff in the ACP so that you did not need to modify the database directly.

    Getting that functionality back would also be great.

    I'm not dead set on CLI skeleton file generation. If it was possible to generate skeleton files in the ACP it would be sufficient for me.

    While I agree on some points, remember that dev tools already exist in the ACP (although I haven't checked them out extensively).


    This is what I miss in Woltlab so much.. If you at least allow to use file system without gziping or putting anything in tar while in dev mode it would simply things in a long run, because now to test a change you have to actually pack everything into multiple archives within tar/gzip and then reinstall/update the application. It's just a pure overkill.

    this is not necessary. You only need to re-install your application when you have changed am XML-PIP. I have a skeleton package which I simply copy and replace the package identifier . Then I comment/uncomment all relevant PIPs. Then I install the package *once*. All subsequent changes are done in the file system, and changes o the PIPs are done in the database directly. I then just put the changes in the XML files as well.

    Once I have finished a certain set of features I re-install the package *once* to make sure I haven't botched the XML files. And that is it. I certainly don't constantly install the package new. That would be extremely wasteful and annoying.

    With the new dev tools, I suppose this works a lot easier, but I haven#t really worked with them.

    Still, some features are needed. I really like composer bin/console make:controller in symfony, for example :D

    For younger people, the way they access the internet is through their smart phones using apps only. They do not ever use a browser.

    And how would they learn about the existence of your app? How would they learn about your forums?

    If you advertise your forum on Facebook, they will likely just follow a link to your forum. I guarantee you a FB post with a link to your forum has a higher click-tough rate then an ad that says "Install this app to view my forum".


    For younger people, the way they access the internet is through their smart phones using apps only. They do not ever use a browser.

    They do, they just hardly notice it. every link in any twitter/FB/whatever post they follow will bring them to a web site, on a browser.

    WSC supports responsive design. You can easily browse the forum on a smartphone. You can even save it as a tile on your home screen if you want to.

    NicoleSophie All true, but just because you do not (yet) have the technical ability, the law itself is not in conflict...

    The site owner invites only USA friends to join site, but several of his invited friends invites EU peoples to join the site... how would site owner know it and update their page?

    He doesn't know, and he doesn't need to. If your sites policy states clear enough that your site is not for EU citizens, that is enough. You are allowed to assume that users who aren't allowed do not fraudulently registers. Don't make this law more complicated then it is.

    And as far as your server logs are concerned yes, you should configure them to not log IPs.

    Smooey I really don't see your point, honestly. You are saying that a 3rd person uploaded damaging material to another site. Well great. Contact the site owner, demand its taken down, done. If you know who is responsible for the site, you can do that. If the site owner refuses to take the content down, go to your lawyer, serve the site owner the court order, done.

    If the site owner is allowed to remain anonymous, this just gets more complicated... I really don't see how any of those women are helped if the operator of the site would be allowed to stay anonymous, on the contrary, it just makes getting their data removed more complicated.

    But we need to distinguish between two different topics here. We are conflating GDPR requirements (which are about *data processing* and responsibility about personal data of users) with the imprint duty, both are two different concepts and are governed by different laws (more on that difference later).

    The conflict stems from the fact that you can't verify which users are from where unless you individually check every single IP.

    You do not have to. Simply let them input their age and their country of origin. You aren't require to check whether the data you got is truthful, or in other words: you may assume that the user is not fraudulent.

    This is the customer-to-customer support. I am glad to help you if you simply answer the questions.

    If you want help from an employee, the best route to go is to write a ticket in the ticket support system.

    Not so sure about that one. He said the US laws states a person of 13 years-old is allowed on the forum, whereas the GDPR now says 16 years-old. Well, if a person from an EU country goes on a forum hosted outside the EU and is run by somebody not from the EU (such as America). Allowing EU users on their forum still so called means they have to abide by the GDRP laws because they cater to EU users. Well then, how is it not a conflict if that forum is allowing somebody from the EU who is under 16 years-old on it without parental permission.

    I do not see the conflict? The US regulations still apply to the US citizens. The EU regulation applies to EU citizens. Yes, you now have to abide to both, but they are not in conflict with each other. You can easily adhere to both, by allowing US citizens register when they are at least 13 and EU citizens when they are at least 16. Laws are considered to be conflicting if you can't adhere to both at the same time. But you can.

    Guess Germans don't attack each other much on hobby forums or person sites because your name and address is out there to public. So live in fear and kept in check on what's written by yourselves online and how you handle yourselves. "Oh noes, I best be good boy/gal, and watch what I say online because otherwise I pay consquences." type thing. In America, um yeah, that didn't happen and no one is really held accountable for nothing.

    Living in fear? Hell, no. On the contrary. I'm not sure what you think is going on in your heads, but its so out of the world its almost amusing.

    All the cases you present or so far fetched and constructed to fit your specific narrative that I doubt they are a problem in the real world, and I really don#t want to discuss contrived hypotheticals. My experience with German law (and most EU states have similar laws, the requirement of having your name attached to stuff you write goes back to a law that was passed in the Holy Roman Empire in 1530, and has since become customary in the EU) simply shows that in the past 20 years, those scenarios you describe simply did not come true, at least not on a wide scale.

    And, you are constantly making the same mistake: if the people in your example post such things as users on other sites, they get the full protection of the GDPR. Its only when they provide the service themselves that they need to be held accountable for the data they collect. Which is a lot, even when you only run WP + GA and maybe AdSense.


    I'll go find her, beat her ass, and silence her for good this time (murder her).

    Maybe we are not as concerned with that, because not everyone has a gun? Dunno, but this is what fear looks like, to me.

    And what happens when you search for updates?

    According to that screenshot, the new update servers were never fetched yet... which should have happened if you searched for updates.

    Founding a company involves a lot of bureaucratic work and it takes several visits to various institutions, waiting in line, waiting for the approval etc. If you're a person who can't drive or are house-bound due to chronic illness, then you have to get someone else to do all those things for you. If you have generalized anxiety and you use your internet hobbies as a means of relaxation, then the GDPR just added more stress and anxiety to your life. Launching a forum (from buying the domain and hosting to installing the script) can literally take less than an hour. Founding a company can take up to a month.

    I am not sure why you create such edge-cases. Most people who run forums aren't that way, and yes, people who are ill or have disabilities need help, true. But the majority of the population is not ill. Furthermore, you over-estimate the complexity of getting a company up and running.

    The internet has not been the wild west.

    I respectfully disagree.

    Besides, the GDPR conflicts with American and Asian regulations. According to USA law, the minimum age to be online without written permission from parents is 13. GDPR makes it 16.

    GDPR only applies to EU citizens and their data. It does not apply to US citizens or citizens from other parts of the world, so no, there is no conflict.

    I also doubt that every single member under 16 years old from that forum has sent a document signed by their parents to the owner.

    No, and that is not necessary anyways.

    Having to found a company just to have an online hobby is a ridiculous request in light of how things have functioned on the internet so far and how things continue to function everywhere else outside the EU

    You need to put down literally one Dollar for an Ltd. Not sure why that is a ridiculous request for someone who handles private data of potentially tens of thousands of people.

    In my opinion, saying that private person cannot be serious about your online community as a hobby is rather insulting.

    Please re-read my post. I have not said anything of that kind. But when your hobby impacts so many people in such deep ways, you ought to make some sacrifices.

    Handling private data is a big responsibilty and GDPR finally codifies and regulates it. Yeah sure, the internet has been the wild west for a long time, with very little protection, but that doesn't mean it should stay so forever.

    Adapt and overcome...

    Just sucks for those people that are harassed, stalked, threatened etc. If they have site about "trauma from being raped", or whatever, and have to put their name and address on their site... it's free location giveaway to a past rapist (that was never caught yet) or future rapists to come to their house and rape them again. Or kill them, etc. Damned if do, damned if don't.

    Its not like you do not have options. Remember, this is only for the provider of the site. Of you provide the site as private person, then yes, it sucks. But founding an Ltd (or GbR in Germany) and having a corporate address isn't that difficult if you are really serious about the site.

    You can see it the other way around, too. Those victims finally get the privacy protection they need to be able to discuss their problems online. The provider of the site has to be very careful to protect those users. And that is a good thing for them, because the last thing you want as a victim of such horrible crimes is your private data leaking, either due to carelessness or malice of the provider.

    The thing is that nobody forces you to provide the service, you do that on your own volition. But if you choose to do so, the protection of your users is weighed more importantly then yours. The good of the many...

    I'm not sure what you all have experienced, but english speaking users are the only ones who are concerned about being harassed as admins. Now, I have consulted big, multi-national sites in the past and have never experienced that, and none of my german customers ever has. So I'm a bit wondering where this fear comes from, to be honest. Since german sites had to put the name and address out there since the 90's, and we never had such problems, I find those fears hard to understand, to be honest.